Let’s not forget he’s a trained lawyer. Is there legal documentation where she posted the painting against her debt to him? Free Shipping. Just a question of time..... Selina, if you read these messages, take the 97% vote results to your lawyer, and sue the Blakes whe you successfully sue Sotheby's. Join Facebook to connect with Clifford J. Schorer and others you may know. In November 2013, a Massachusetts man named Clifford Schorer says he loaned Selena Rendell an unspecified amount and she used the painting as collateral. The home where Homer lived and worked from 1883 … Probeer. [4] On the day of the sale, however, Mr. Murray changed his mind. [4] In 2008, they took it to a recording of Antiques Roadshow where it was identified by Philip Mould as a work by Homer and valued at £30,000. Largely self-taught, Homer began his career working as a commercial illustrator. And I fully disagree with the author regarding splitting the proceeds. You always find the most interesting subjects to write about. In November 2013, a new claimant for ownership of the painting emerged. She was then told that she could sell it, and sort out the problem after the sale. After so many years, finders keepers ought to be the verdict. Obviously not in this case. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. Do you know of any updates surrounding this story? Uniek aanbod (tweedehands) boeken. I watched this last night and was shocked, to then today do some research and discover a 3rd party has made a claim.... Could it have gotten any worse. LOL! BRING THE PAINTING TO COURT AND THREATEN TO SAW IT INTO 2. The family believe it disappeared from Myrtle Grove after a series of robberies in the 1980s,[10] although Philip Mould notes that there was no crime reported. Nell. He was born and raised in the Cambridge area, Boston, MA, and the first work he did in the field of art, was working as a print maker, in Boston, as well as … outrageous. Hi Mary, yes it was wasn't it? Suddenly, after nearly 30 years, when the Murray family realized the existence of the painting -- and that it is a valuable painting by a renowned artist -- they declare that the painting was stolen. not so much being British as well, learning my lesson. that's the contention I think, yes those lawyers must be raking in the money by now, thanks so much for reading, nell. It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? Home to the Blakes. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 12, 2014: I never realised that Genee, Wow! Somehow, there had been a claim on the Painting! Nell Rose (author) from England on December 28, 2019: Hi Jan, I can't find anything more which is rather strange. Fascinating story. Even though the Blake family have never pressed its ownership. this is just greed, and yes I agree, a number 1 sin, nell. They stated that as it was a family piece then it should automatically come back to the family. It is always, but always, those who have it who want more. Good luck with it, as you can see by the Series, it can eventually be done but it does take time, good luck and thanks for reading. He also practised printmaking. I have just watched the latest Fake or Fortune series and I totally understand what you mean about the authenticity. To reclaim the painting the Blakes would have to prove that it was more likely than not that the painting belonged to them and, rather than being sold or abandoned, it had either been lost or was stolen from them. and what a proverbial ass is the great grandson and the rest of the Blake family for making this claim . Nell Rose (author) from England on July 15, 2020: Thanks houseofcharm, I understand now. Family obviously think that they could treat her the way they like since they have the money and status. Are there any updates on the rightful ownership of Homer's 'Children under a palm tree? The painting was not framed and was subsequently included among a number of works by Lady Blake who was herself an amateur artist. at least a the end she won out, thank goodness! The Painting was going up for sale at Sotheby's. She had also been given the Auction Catalogue which shows clearly the Painting and the sale price. I do wish we could get a more up to date answer though. And of course figure out if it was a fake or the real thing. This is a popular TV program made by the BBC. Being most profficient in both water colours and oil, he soon became very well known. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 01, 2014: Thanks so much for reading angiiiii, and yes I totally agree with you, what is wrong with these people? There's no way it should be given to them. Selina's dad found it so that should be the end of it. IF (and for only two letters, that's a very big word) Simon Murray's very convenient photocopies of his great-great-granny's diary mention that Winslow Homer promised to present her with a "sketch" of her three children in their costumes from the ball. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 01, 2016: Hi penny, where did you get that info? Penny and al: the new owner of the painting is Clifford Schorer, the head of the Board of Directors of the Worcester Museum in Massachusetts, which has sued Sotheby's in the New York State Supreme Court to obtain ownership of the painting. Nell Rose (author) from England on April 23, 2016: Thanks paul, my thoughts exactly! Worcester is known for it’s collection of great American artists and Homer is right up there in the top. Thanks houseofcharm. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer.It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune?. Simon Murray, a lawyer, had the gall to malign the people who found it on the rubbish heap and rescued it, by saying he knew they were hoping to use the money for swimming pools and motor cars. that was a great read Nell.. it is sad that there is still no outcome! After colonial service in Jamaica and Hong Kong, the Blakes retired to Myrtle Grove in Youghal, County Cork, Ireland. Then came the biggest bombshell. Tony Varney, a fisherman and his daughter Selina, had gone fishing at his local spot, in County Cork, Ireland. or been advised that, because I am sure those Blakes would have shut up then! The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. no wonder its still stuck at Sotheby's! I think its gone on far too long now, the sad thing is if she hadn't taken it onto the TV programme in the first place then nobody would have known about the other claimants, and it would have been over and done with now. There should be a new encyclopedia entry under "hypocrisy" with his ugly face and his ugly name. The latest news on this amazing story is that Clifford Schorer a rich entrepreneur, says he loaned Selena Rendall an unspecified amount of money in 2012, and she backed the loan with the painting - which is estimated to be worth as much as $250,000. I personally think the family that found the painting should be entitled to the total amount especially as there was no evidence of a burglary. Without a police report how can the Blakes claim it as theirs? And the family barrister is just using that story as leverage in what amounts to an extortion of money from the rightful owner of the painting. For a few years he attended The National Academy of Design, and then went on to study with Frederic Rondel, who taught him the basics of Painting. I do know of her. Only a change of ownership from Selena to Clifford has maybe helped to alter the dynamics of the argument. I am not sure if its still going on, but at least she was clever enough to sell it on. The Blake's have NOTHING. Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift. He forgot to mention 55” flat screens! View the profiles of people named Clifford J. Schorer. https://fresh-foodz.com.au Fresh-Foodz - Daily Needs Online. Nell Rose (author) from England on August 17, 2020: I totally agree Robin. In 1859 he opened a studio in New York City. Thanks so much for confirming the story, nell. [16], "€110k Winslow Homer painting is 'a steal, Searchlight on Harbor Entrance, Santiago de Cuba, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Children_Under_a_Palm&oldid=994326926, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, limitation, by the automatic time-barring of claims —, This page was last edited on 15 December 2020, at 03:43. According to Wikipedia, in October 2013 The London Evening Standard reported that Shirley Rountree (Simon's mother) was suing Sothebys for the return of the painting. thanks for the update! It is a simple mediator trick. I hope that my meaning is clear. The sketch for it, perhaps, as Edith Blake's diary attests. My personal belief is that either the Blakes who live there now, had the house cleared out, and all the rubbish was taken to to rubbish dump. In my case, five of the six experts on their assessment panel were certain that my painting was a genuine Jane Peterson, and the sixth was adamant that, while an original artwork, my painting was by some unknown other artist who signed as J. Peterson. So many people around the world have commented on it. Regardless of what legal decision will ultimately be made in the case, Simon Murray is a spoiled little weasel who seems to think that inherited money and fancy words hides his low character. He is a wealthy individual who is clueless to living in the real world. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. To be honest I never really noticed the tone of Penny's remarks I just presumed she knew her. Small: Amazon.nl. Thanks for sharing a story that you made easy to understand. Then I found the info on the internet, so maybe not. That of course is what would happen if Selina agreed. 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